I would suggest that the WBTS only ruin the lives of those who allow them to. To suggest otherwise infers that normal life after the Organization is unlikely for most and that the experience amounts to a terminal disease. This may or may not be true but I have never been able to gather data to prove that one way or the other. A professional mental health care provider would likely profess recovery as an option for most.
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Even if not for most ... does being a JW work for some?
by The Berean inare not those with a flawed plan better than those with none at all ?.
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Even if not for most ... does being a JW work for some?
by The Berean inare not those with a flawed plan better than those with none at all ?.
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Hitler could not have pulled off his crimes without the help of the entire German nation. To me, they were the "do-nothings" Why didn't they overthrow the Fuhrer rather than sheepishly follow him into a supposed "thousand year reign"? Have you ever spoken to a German who apologized for their actions? They seem to believe they were innocent bystanders. Even the butcher John Demjanjuk who hid in Ohio proclaims he had not part in Hitlers plan, yet the evidence proves otherwise.
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Even if not for most ... does being a JW work for some?
by The Berean inare not those with a flawed plan better than those with none at all ?.
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blondie:
On the other side, the Jews had no plan to protect themselves against such an annihilation ... that didn't work either ...
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Even if not for most ... does being a JW work for some?
by The Berean inare not those with a flawed plan better than those with none at all ?.
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Are not those with a flawed plan better than those with none at all ?
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Growing up as a JW?
by Nicolas inhi, just wanted to share a bit of my experience, especially in my childhood.
i've been a lurker for a while here.
dunno if my experience is unique (probably not), i've been in the jw for almost all of my childhood, then i became inactive around the age of 12 because i followed my parents when they decided to become inactive.
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No one else will tell you what I am going to, but please consider this and then accept the possibility or reject it.
Many of us have found that starting over is difficult because of the programing we recieved during our formative years by those who claim they cared but really wished only to control. Unfortunately that control lasts often times for decades after we believe we have severed. For some it becomes a life-long disease.
Here's what has liberated me to some extent. I have come to believe that the WBTS is demon possesed and as such is too great a match for the "mind over matter" approach. When I actually realized that to be true, it explained the confusion and mental anguish I had experienced. It also stopped me from searching for a higher power which would also likely make Satanic supporters happy.
Finding your "passion" outside religion will help to exorcise the evil you have been exposed to. This may sound extreme, yet the many I have watched hold on to hate and anger long after the fact tells me they have never really been freed.
Liberation will finally come when you think less and less about your painful past because you are too busy trying to leave the earth a better place after you are gone by making PRACTICAl contributions now. Please work hard at finding that "niche." To be sure there is at least one thing that you are better at than anyone else. Finding that will compensate for all the lost time. Evil spirits would want us to lead a nomadic life of in obscurity. Fight back! Even the Bible suggests: "oppose the Devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)
Watching those in the organization for over fifty years and wishing you success,
Berean
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Are you a better person now?
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[endif] i'm curious about how people who have shifted religious beliefs feel about their own morals.
has the religion you've chosen made you a better person?
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In my case I am the same person with the same strengths and character flaws. Only my priorities have changed. I will still scare many at first and have my candid opinions but I have now learned to manage my presentation in a more considerate way. Some claim they care deeply for me others never give me a serious second thought. Perhaps that is how it is with all ...
No, I can't say that I am any better ... only tempered by my experiences with religion and people in general.
Berean
PS: Oh yes, I still play roles according to the audience!
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what happened to "peace and security"???
by highdose ini remember growing up as a dub that everyone was constantly on the look out for what could be the cry of peace and security... then suddenly people just stopped, it stopped being mentioned in talks ... everything.
theories please?.
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Any group wants the next new thing. Then, those things come and go. I was thinking of MLB stadiums that are built to increase excitement and attendance. They are often dubbed engineering marvels. Then, when they get 20 years old and the fan base is shrinking... they knock them down and start over (Cincinnati, Pittsburgh etc.) Think about all the better mouse traps that have failed (metric system in the US) JWs are no different. They just want spice in their hum-drum existence since there is little new under the sun. Most concepts are temporary.
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While available products and services are superior since 1914, people skills and relationships have noticeably deteriorated. I suppose that when life was tougher, we all worked together much better. When there was less electronic communication, we talked more directly to one another. When there were less travel options, we built a better homelife. I believe that there exists more loneliness as well as isolation in the world today than in 1914.
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So what's wrong with being a "Cult"?
by The Berean ini looked up the definition of "cult" on dictionary.com.
definition #1 read as follows "a particular system of religious worship, esp.with reference to its rites and cerimonies.
" that soundeed vanilla enough .... scrolling down to #2, i saw "an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal or thing, esp.
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I looked up the definition of "cult" on Dictionary.com. Definition #1 read as follows "a particular system of religious worship, esp.with reference to its rites and cerimonies." That soundeed vanilla enough ...
Scrolling down to #2, I saw "An instance of great veneration of a person, ideal or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers (such as) the physical fitnerss cult. Goodness, one could apply that discription to anything from politicians to sports heros.
#4 didn't help: "A group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc." I believe all nations on earth would manifest such reverence toward their government ...
I thought #6 might fit the indictment against organizations such as the WBTS ... until it specified that a cult is under the direction of a charismatic leader, of which JWs have no such one identifiable person.
So why do so many speak with distain, referring to Jehovah's Witness as a dangerous "cult"? Could it not be said that by definition the group does not accurately fufill the charicteristics of a dangerous organization?